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Wikivoyage中文名称共识讨论

根据社群共识，开启Wikivoyage中文名称共识讨论。--Angnation (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

本次投票分为两轮，第一轮以zh:同意投票方式进行。第一轮结束后，选取得票数最高的两个选项进入第二轮投票。第二轮投票中，每人只可选择一个选项进行投票。

提名及第一轮投票

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维基旅行

  1.  支持-乌拉跨氪 (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 13:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持-Super Wang (talk) 10:40, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
讨论

缺点：易与zh:Wikitravel（维客旅行）混淆。--维基小霸王 (talk) 14:44, 17 November 2012 (UTC)移下来，谁写的自己签名认领。Liangent (talk) 12:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

维基航程

提出者：Doraencyclopedia

维基行

提出者：tntchn

  1.  支持-YulouCN (talk) 18:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

维基出游

提出者：章安德鲁

  1.  支持：--维基小霸王 (talk) 10:48, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持：--Tntchn (talk) 12:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持：--Eartheater (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

维基游记

提出者：维基小霸王

维基导游

提出者：维基小霸王

  1.  支持：--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持--风雨同舟 (talk) 12:01, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持--Park Talk 01:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持--Benpigchu (talk) 06:29, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持--Shizhao (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  6.  支持--Almsev (talk) 09:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持--Kevinhksouth (talk) 12:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持,“旅游指南”四字最好，若简化则“导游”较好--Yvtou (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  10.  支持--Ch.Andrew (talk) 10:54, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
  11.  支持--Cbcdqe (talk) 15:37, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
  12.  支持--Frankou (talk) 03:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  13.  支持--燃玉 (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  14.  支持. 持中人 (talk) 02:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
  15.  支持--219.137.181.221 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  16.  支持--B2322858 (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

维基旅游

提出者：Makecat

  1.  支持：--Tianyamm2 (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持：--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持-乌拉跨氪 (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持--Kuailong (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持，不错。--J.Wong 04:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  6.  支持，--Shizhao (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持，--Stevenliuyi (talk) 13:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持 Asiaworldcity (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  10.  支持--Frysun (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  11.  支持--风雨同舟 (talk) 07:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  12.  支持Sinopitt (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
  13.  支持--219.137.181.221 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  14.  支持--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:51, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
讨论
  •  评论：恐怕“维基旅游”也易与“维客旅行”混淆。--维基小霸王 (talk) 11:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC) 下移，避免计票时误作支持。若确实为支持在上面再投票。Liangent (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

维基探索

提出者：Doraencyclopedia

 支持 Asiaworldcity (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

其他可能的选项

自认为被采用可能率不高者，可加入此处，供他人参考。

维基观光
维基通幽
维基名胜
维基随俗
维基登高
维基远眺
维基观花
（表情）囧rz... --Super Wang (talk) 11:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
维基出行
维基游乐
维基游行
维基游玩
维基游览
维基玩乐
维基游园
维基教科书旅游部分--维基小霸王
维基观摩--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
维基游历？--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 13:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
维基度假村...Doraencyclopedia (talk) 13:29, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
维基揽胜--Tianyamm2 (talk) 15:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
维基行纪Xiaomingyan (talk) 03:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
维基旅游指南——如果大家能够接受长一点的名称，这个名称远较“维基旅游”精确。 -- Kevinhksouth (talk) 15:06, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

票数统计

名称 票数
维基导游 16票
维基旅游 14票
维基旅行 5票
维基出游 3票
维基行 1票
维基探索 1票
维基旅游指南 1票
  • 因此维基导游与维基旅游进入第二轮投票。--Almsev (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

第二轮投票

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第一轮投票已经持续两周，选取得票数最高的两个选项是维基导游（16票）与维基旅游（14票），远远超过其他选项。所以，现展开第二轮投票，每人只可选择一个选项进行投票。--Almsev (talk) 01:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

本轮投票时间为两周，自2012年12月1日02:00(UTC)起，至2012年12月15日02:00(UTC)止。--Angnation (talk) 02:44, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

维基导游

提出者：维基小霸王

  1.  支持,清楚地体现了wy的“指南”而非“百科”的功能--Yvtou (talk) 02:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持，--Shibo77 05:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持，--Almsev (talk) 07:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持，好吧，少数服从多数，尽管我还是喜欢“维基旅行”，但是“导游”远比简单的“旅游”强得多……话说这个要是通过了，计划页面就要重新写了。我的编辑啊~~~Super Wang (talk) 09:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持，“维基导游“体现了Wikivoyage的功能。--Recyi ·talk 07:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  6.  支持，--风雨同舟 (talk) 12:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持，下面那个易混淆wikitravels吧C933103 (talk) 17:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持--Ch.Andrew (talk) 18:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持--"导游"好一些。Wetrace (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  10.  支持--Frankou (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  11.  支持，相比起“维基旅游”，意思较明确。--Kevinhksouth (talk) 14:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  12.  支持--燃玉 (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  13.  支持--YulouCN (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  14.  支持--60.25.130.133 12:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  15.  支持--Yhz1221 (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
  16.  支持--Benpigchu (talk) 06:05, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
  17.  支持，凑个热闹。-惟吾无为 (talk) 06:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

维基旅游

提出者：Makecat

  1.  支持，继续支持本项。感觉“导游”一词更容易联想到某种职业。--Tianyamm2 (talk) 13:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2. --Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 02:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持，“导游”一词感觉很low。乌拉跨氪 (talk) 05:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 06:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持，同Tianyamm2的想法——Cwek (talk) 08:00, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  6. --DS fax 09:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持，自己支持一下。--Makecat (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持，感觉“维基导游”听起来比较奇怪，“维基旅游”正式一些。--InstantNull (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持，Asiaworldcity (talk) 04:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

讨论

票数统计

名称 票数
维基导游 17票
维基旅游 9票
  • 因此，维基导游在投票中胜出。 --Almsev (talk) 02:27, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

编者请注意！

我是Super Wang。大家是否知道，无前缀的连接会导致无法编辑的错误？请参见下面的示例。

“错误”栏目内的内容无法编辑。请各位再次注意名字空间和前缀的重要性。--Super Wang (talk) 11:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

囧。。。孵育场不都是这样的嘛，否则怎么知道是哪个项目的。。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 20:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

有关维基旅行本身的内容

错误：

[[关于]]-->关于（无法编辑）

正确：

[[Wikivoyage:关于]]-->Wikivoyage:关于（可以编辑）

条目内容

错误：

[[亚洲]]-->亚洲（无法编辑）

正确：

[[亚洲]]-->亚洲（可以编辑）

自由世界旅游指南

首页中的口号“自由世界旅游指南”很有歧义啊，很容易被理解为“自由世界的旅游指南”，而不是“自由的世界旅游指南”--Shizhao (talk) 02:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

 支持，我也是理解成那样。111.248.20.139 09:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
问题是现在“自由”前后各一个“的”字是不是有点儿不通顺...--Angnation (talk) 09:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
中文维基百科首页口号：“维基百科，人人可编辑的自由百科全书”，也许可以参考一下。--Ch.Andrew (talk) 10:20, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
把“世界”改为“全球”、“环球”之类的词就不会理解错误了吧。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 支持“自由环球旅游指南”就可省却一个“的”--Yvtou (talk) 08:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
在“世界”后面加个“级”如何？--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
不要加那么多“的”，自由环球旅游指南很好。--Kuailong (talk) 06:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
“全球”好还是“环球”好？--Angnation (talk) 06:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
总觉得“环球”比较好。Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
我是觉得自由的环球旅游指南比较好……--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 02:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
“环游世界自由指南”呢？Frankou (talk) 03:51, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
环游世界不过！~--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
那么，小弟就此提出两个提案：“自由的旅游指南”、“自由地遨游世界”。未知如何？--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 17:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

条目结构和章节名称的规范

我观察了英文wy的条目，发现条目的结构相对固定，就城市来说一般都包含understand, get in, get around, see, do, work, buy, eat, drink, sleep等章节。开始创建条目前，我认为有必要规范中文wy的结构和章节，以保证条目的一致性，也便于新手学习，尽快加入编辑。--Yvtou (talk) 08:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

 支持，我也希望大神把 Wikivoyage:Directory of policies and guidelines 的内容译成中文搬过来让大家参考。--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 支持，挺好的--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 12:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
这个可以再议。Super Wang (talk) 02:26, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
我试写了一个条目台中，目前还不完善，或许可按照食、衣(穿着)、住、行(交通)等方向扩充。Frankou (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
赞的，可以以此作为模板讨论格式规范问题--Yvtou (talk) 02:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
慢慢来 又一个坑开始了！--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
我也正在编写香港的旅游指南，现在只写了引言，接下来这几天会完成其他部分，例如历史背景、旅客须知、景点介绍、交通指南，甚至广东话会话。我深恐此指南不中立（有很多个人观点），要改一大轮。我会在维基百科互助客栈那儿，尽量邀请香港维基人参与该指南的编纂工作。
除此之外，我认为中文Wikivoyage的条目格式不应该盲从英文Wikivoyage，刚才看过英文Wikivoyage的香港旅游指南，我觉得这指南的排版不怎么顺眼。我喜欢出外旅游（可是我平生去过的地方不多），喜欢看旅游书，对编纂旅游指南有自己的一套见解。我们不妨就此商谈一下。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 18:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
欢迎阁下试写一个条目供大家讨论。参考英文wy主要是了解wy的定位，知道这个项目需要怎样的条目，具体的内容可以根据中国人的旅游习惯来确定。--Yvtou (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
香港的旅游指南就是我试写的条目。刚才阁下说到“中国人的旅游习惯”，又觉得香港旅游指南有问题了，因为考察内地人到香港旅游的习惯，他们通常是参观香港的旅游名胜、到香港购物，很少会到香港郊区远足的说。所以我想要改动一下导言的内容，之后的事慢慢谈。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 14:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
我想不必专门考虑中国人的习惯，毕竟这是中文Wikivoyage，不是中国Wikivoyage。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
我想要问一下大家的意见，Wikivoyage未来是要成为独立的旅游条目，如同Spring Roll Conan所列举的，拥有历史背景等资料；或是仅简单的带入导言，其余给出连结连往维基百科及维基教科书？以我写的台中，里面多余的如气候、公车列表、医院列表，甚至夜市列表都连回维基百科。不知道大家觉得哪一种比较适当？Frankou (talk) 01:09, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
我认为Wikivoyage的条目要成为独立的旅游指南，还应减低对维基百科的依赖。我们应该说明历史背景、旅客须知、景点介绍、交通指南，气候资料（方便他们编订行程、决定衣着安排），酒店介绍，以及周边城市的资料等等，以至于当地语言的会话指南。人们不懂的，他们自然会到维基百科找（维基百科那么有名，哪怕没人去哪儿搜集更多补充资料？），自然会买书学习那种语言。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 14:37, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
我倒觉得，Wikivoyage和维基百科以及Commons的连接应当紧密。毕竟知道WP的人更多，这就能使人们在无意中通过WP认识Wikivoyage。那个模板是我做的，我们暂时可以不讨论这个问题。Super Wang (talk) 00:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
为了增加Wikivoyage的点击率（我不用“维基导游”这个不顺口的名字），使更多人能够通过维基百科、维基共享资源认识Wikivoyage，在维基百科条目、维基共享资源地方专页加插Wikivoyage的链接，实不足为过，我同意这样做。但是，我刚才说过，维基百科这么有名，一定有人会到维基百科找资料，而且我们要分清楚Wikivoyage和维基百科的目的：Wikivoyage是旅游指南，目的是为有计划到某处旅游的人提供旅游资讯。维基百科是百科全书，它不会推荐游客到哪个地点，它不会主动为酒店按房价分类（参考英语版）……，它包含了为本地人而设的（详尽）资讯。我觉得我们不应该废掉Wikivoyage的武功，我反对把Wikivoyage建设成维基百科的卫星网站：如果他没有功能，为什么维基媒体基金会会容许这么样的网站上线。--春卷柯南夫子 ( 茶寮 | 土木记 ) 15:30, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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